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Pavlov's, 2000 Greene Street: August 2021   5 comments

Posted at 10:31 pm in closing,commentary










OK, I'm going to say this. The current practice of using lawfare in Five Points, weaponizing South Carolina's idiosyncratic liquor statutes against businesses you don't like, is wrong. Yes, Five Points had a problem, but shooting the patient is not a cure. I guess in this case the fact that there were prior legal troubles was a factor, but the empty storefronts speak for themselves.

The State has more details on this, and on who will still be open.

(Hat tip to commenter Tom)

Written by ted on August 11th, 2021

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5 Responses to 'Pavlov's, 2000 Greene Street: August 2021'

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  1. Where to start...

    I agree "using lawfare in Five Points, weaponizing South Carolina's idiosyncratic liquor statutes" is wrong. And, excellent turn of phrase too, @Ted.

    Moreover, Harpootlian is a bloviating a$$, who doesn't need to be in public office. Some wealthy, connected people are having problems. They want those problems solved right the hell now. Let's all be honest here, if you had college kids passing out in your bushes or on your front porch, or leaving God-knows-what on your front lawn, you might be more than a tad miffed about the situation too.

    Five Points has changed, dramatically. Five Points has been the epicenter of a lot of trouble over, lets say for the sake of argument, the last 15 years. This isn't the Five Points of the 80s, 90s or early 2000s. Fights, gangs, drugs, shootings. There's no putting lipstick on this particular pig.

    Five Points *used to be* a bunch of restaurants that served both food and drinks and *might* have a musical act, occasionally. Anybody remember Hannah Janes? Yesterdays? You could have lunch and meet friends for happy hour after work at the same place.

    I'm not sure when this changed, but it did. Five Points became glutted with "drink till you drown" bars. When one of these places got in too much trouble, they'd close down and re-open as some new rat-hole, with the same folks at the helm. But with the business or liquor license under somebody else's name. Their only motivation was to turn a buck. The city/county, in their infinite wisdom, kept giving business and liquor licenses to the same dolts causing the problems over and over.... And round and round we went.

    Now, Five Points has row upon row of empty storefronts. Which way from here? YES, I think the liquor laws need to be fixed. Why should anyone have to sell food if all they want to do is run a bar? YES, bar owners need to be held to a higher standard as regards what goes on at their business. If they become a problem, snatch their liquor license and find a way to make sure they don't get another. YES, I think the conduct of the students needs to improve.

    Which way from here? Man, I don't know. I'd be happy having restaurants like Hannah Janes & Yesterdays back. Oddly, that might help...

    Lone Wolf

    12 Aug 21 at 9:29 am

  2. Originally this was T.J. Harrelson's Roofing and Supply Compnay. They used to have a catchy jingle that played on local radio stations in the morning that sang "have a good day."


    12 Aug 21 at 1:29 pm

  3. See the comments here for instance.


    12 Aug 21 at 1:32 pm

  4. If memory serves correct, didn't one of Spurrier's first QBs get into fight here and get kicked off the team circa 2006?


    12 Aug 21 at 3:00 pm

  5. From the newspaper article: "The bars will have to adhere to a number of stipulations, including using forensic ID scanners at all entrances, using a “hand stamp” system for every patron who enters the bars and have cameras at all entrances and points of sale, among other conditions.

    "The Bird Dog and The Cotton Gin must also price all of their liquor drinks at more than $3.50 and all beer at more than $3. They also must offer food items and delivery through Uber Eats or a similar service."

    So the government gets to set the price of a drink?


    19 Aug 21 at 7:05 pm

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